Jane Fonda

I guess it depends on who you ask and how you do it.

Read 'em and weep- these all had some form of Congressoional approval except Korea. And by the way ,we went to Korea to SPREAD DEMOCRACY just like Iraq, and if we had left McCarthur alone he would have killed it or cured it, shortly. Good try, Junior. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] naval history page
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Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad, 1798 - 2004


by Richard F. Grimmett


Specialist in National Defense

Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
Washington DC: Congressional Research Service
Library of Congress
October 5, 2004



Summary


This report lists hundreds of instances in which the United States has used its armed forces abroad in situations of military conflict or potential conflict or for other than normal peacetime purposes. It was compiled in part from various older lists and is intended primarily to provide a rough survey of past US military ventures abroad, without reference to the magnitude of the given instance noted. The listing often contains references, especially from 1980 forward, to continuing military deployments especially US military participation in multinational operations associated with NATO or the United Nations. Most of these post-1980 instances are summaries based on Presidential reports to Congress related to the War Powers Resolution. A comprehensive commentary regarding any of the instances listed is not undertaken here.



The instances differ greatly in number of forces, purpose, extent of hostilities, and legal authorization. Eleven times in its history the US has formally declared war against foreign nations. These eleven US war declarations encompassed five separate wars: the war with Great Britain declared in 1812, the war with Mexico declared in 1846, the War with Spain declared in 1898, the First World War, during which the US declared war with Germany and with Austria-Hungary during 1917, World War II, during which the US declared war against Japan, Germany, and Italy in 1941, and against Bulgaria, Hungary, and Rumania in 1942. Some of the instances were extended military engagements that might be considered undeclared wars. These include the Undeclared Naval War with France from 1798 to 1800; the First Barbary War from 1801 to 1805; the Second Barbary War of 1815; the Korean War of 1950-53; the Vietnam War from 1964 to 1973; the Persian Gulf War of 1991, global actions against foreign terrorists after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, and the War with Iraq in 2003. With the exception of the Korean War, all of these conflicts received Congressional authorization in some form short of a formal declaration of war. Other, more recent instances often involve deployment of US military forces as part of a multinational operation associated with NATO or the United Nations. Current legislation, H.R. 10 and S. 2845, contains provisions that could strengthen the intelligence capabilities of the United States to combat international terrorism and to support current and future American military operations overseas in a more effective manner.

The majority of the instances listed prior to World War II were brief Marine or Navy actions to protect US citizens or promote US interests. A number were actions against pirates or bandits. Covert actions, disaster relief, and routine alliance stationing and training exercises are not included here, nor are the Civil and Revolutionary Wars and the continual use of US military units in the exploration, settlement, and pacification of the Western part of the United States. This report will be updated as warranted. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] If you run up on anything else you are struggling to understand , I'm free for 3 hours on Thursday evenings , 14 bucks an hour. I don't travel. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Guess LPDFTBL can still sleep at night. And I thought that "Superman" lyric was about ALL that Reagan promised and didn't deliver? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Son your not showing me up. Your just confirming what i said. No war?
Yet men died and it was for what? Yes North Korea did go back past the 39th parallel. But who are we worried about now, having nuclear capabilities?
Where do we keep troops stationed? What did we win in the long run?
But how many lives did it cost to do that, push the North Koreans back to the 39th parallel and how long to do it? In a conflict, not a war.


And under the laws of the US. The President under the War's Power Act can use troops any time, he feels necessary for a length of time. After that Congress must approve any continued action.

Congress approved money for Korea and Vietnam but never declared war? Why? Same with Iraq.
Because with the declaration of war, you authorize the full use of your military as needed to win at all cost. Including a draft if needed in the event of a loss of troops.
But think about it. War was not declared in Vietnam. Yet the draft was? Sound like someone thought it good to keep Vietnam going?
Kennedy had done ask for and had a plan in place, to begin withdrawing troops, he was going to declare Vietnam, a civil war amongst the people of Vietnam.
One the US did not and should not be involved in.
After his assissination, that article disappeared, and Johnson escalated the war.
Just so happen many in the cabinet. Had major stock in companies the US miliatry was using in Vietnam.
Sounds a little like Cheney huh?

My question is if we are not fighting wars? What is all these men fighting in them to do, the veterans you know? Spuds pointed out one thing about the VA. But the VA was basically set up primarily for veterans of war. Not conflicts.
So bascially we have not declared war on Iraq. So those coming back who may need help later, i guess the US can deny them if they determine it was not a war?
And there is what about double, the numbers coming back with problems than what went to Desert Storm.
You get some of the picture but miss a big portion of it also.

As for the topic Jane Fonda could and should, have under the laws of teason, been tried for treason as giving aid to our enemy in Vietnam. But also that was not a declared war. So guess what. Ole Jane made a statement, hurt her own country even pushing socialism and communism, and had a hot movie out at the time.

I seen where she was ask about the marine a former vet who spit on her. She was well it didn't mean anything. They don't understand. Yeah they understand, they were there, while she was Hanoi putting them down, and her encouraging the North to Rise and destroy.
And destory who? US troops.

And people say well live and let live and forget. 58,000 we can't forget. They went because they were ask to, many drafted and most country and poor city men, they died because they did what they had to do. And a country let them and others down.

My hope for you Biggin is that Iraq and Afghanistan ends soon. If not you may see your government in action. And you may get that letter that says, you've been drafted. Please report on this date to this location.
I hope it never happens. But reality is reality. Iraq and other wars will continue and our reserves are starting to run low.
Some of you younger folks, better start to learn. Cause that day may be approaching. The talk already is we cannot sustain our troop levels, if we can't, what do we do? Not a hard question to answer.

I disagree, if Jane Fonda deserved to be tried for treason. So does Micheal Moore, The Democratic party and gcdevill22 [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Seriously though, Fonda did not do half of what Moore has done. His film (as mega pointed out I believe) has been found to have had some of its funds been linked to Hamas and Hezbolla.

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I agree whole heartedly....

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The Korean War was not a total victory for either North Korea or the United States. This war changed nothing except for the 54,000 Americans and 2 million Koreans and Chinese who lost their lives. Both countries signed an armistice to end the fighting and the the border stayed at the 38th parallel, where it had been before the war. I wouldn't call that a success for either country.

I agree whole heartedly Nola. It was just as bad.

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Yeah Congressional approval, but no formal congressional declaration of war, which is what I have said all along.

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I never said Michael shouldn't be tried for treason. He is as un American as Hanoi Jane ever was. No matter what your political views are you don't do such things when US troops are invloved in a war, conflict, police action or whatever you want to call it.

Agreed. Its the same but different, you guys expierenced Fonda and her antics and it had its effect (closer to some I understand) while Moore's have effected me (closer then some understand as well). I agree with what your saying man. Coo.